Sunday, September 22, 2013

Booker View–Goodreads policy changes - Should Author Behavior Matter?

 

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The controversy & conflict between some authors and reviewers has been growing for some time leading to several fairly well publicized clashes between the two. Much of the ruckus seems to have been centered around Goodreads and what each side considers to be “bullying” behavior on both parts. While I absolutely support a reader/reviewer/consumer’s right to interpret a book and express their opinion almost any way they want to outside of directly attacking an author, I haven’t really gotten directly involved in much of the heated debates. However, with the recent updates to Goodreads policy in their attempt to control the accusations of bullying on their website, I thought it would be a good opportunity to weigh in with my opinion which will probably be as scattered and rambling as most of my thoughts are so please excuse if this post is a bit all over the place.

The Goodreads policy change that seems most questionable to me is that they will be deleting content focused on author behavior, maintaining that the book should stand on it’s own merit and that an author’s behavior is irrelevant. I do not agree with this for several reasons.

I actually think that readers have the right to be made aware of the type of person they would be supporting so that they can make an informed decision. An extreme example of why this is so important would be the book The Secret of Cant by K.P. Bath. This author is a convicted pedophile who is writing children’s books according to THIS ARTICLE by Bryan Denson of the Oregonian. I’m sure I don’t have to explain why this author’s behavior should be a factor in choosing whether to support their work.

Of course, as I said the above is an extreme example, but there are others that I also feel strongly about such as when popular author Emily Giffin, upset about a negative review of her book, basically encouraged her fans & husband to attack the reviewer who had the audacity to think her book was crap. And when the reviewer in question began receiving death threats from irate fans, Giffin’s response was to advise that if she doesn’t want death threats, she should remove the negative review and stop talking about it. This kind of thing is absolutely appalling behavior, and while it hardly represents the majority of authors, it IS, I believe, relevant information that potential consumers should be made aware of.

I am not going to dispute that there has been reprehensible behavior on both sides of the equation. Undoubtedly, there are reviewers whose reviews seem to be an attention seeking attack on the author instead of an opinion about the book, but I believe that the average reader can spot a BS review and overlook it. And it kind of comes with the territory, which doesn’t make it right, but it is the reality of putting yourself in the public eye. I equate authors with celebrities and I know many actors and musicians constantly have their work & personal lives spoofed, judged, ridiculed, and otherwise talked about. But when they lash out at the media for this, it is THEIR brand that is harmed, it is their public image that comes under fire.  I don’t think that snarky shelves or reviews is bullying any more than those Star news articles saying that XYZ celebrity gave birth to a 3 headed alien is bullying. I think that authors are being more in the public eye than ever before because of social media and they have to adjust to that, just as a singer or an actor that suddenly finds themselves & their work prone to public scrutiny & opinion.

I hate that Goodreads is making these changes because I felt that initially, this site was a social media site geared toward the reader. A place for readers to catalog and discuss books among themselves and rate them however they want to for whatever reason they want to. I always felt like if a reader wanted to, for example, rate 1 star every book with the color blue on the cover, they should be able to do so without having to justify or explain it simply because that is how they chose to catalog their books. They could create groups for other people who hate books with blue covers and discuss the atrocities of the color blue. They could create shelves named “Would Rather Be Gang Raped With a Garden Gnome than Read These Blue Covered Books” and “Books With Blue Covers Should Be Burnt” and nobody would do much more than roll their eyes and block them if it bothered them too much. Now, it seems that Goodreads is becoming more of a marketing site and geared more toward promoting the author and so the content of the ratings and reviews are now being censored. And I personally don’t think it’s a good decision.

I do want to say that I do not condone threats against anyone, author or reviewer and that is a completely separate issue. While I don’t think that shelves with creatively horrible names are a problem, I think shelves that could be construed as threats are inappropriate and should absolutely be removed. But I think that removing shelves and reviews that allude to author behavior or how the Goodreads member feels about the author, whether right or wrong, is, indeed, censorship. I don’t think that this solution will effectively address the problems although I honestly do appreciate that Goodreads is trying to find a solution. I just wish they would have chosen a better way than censoring their members in this way.

Not only are these changes clearly changing Goodreads to cater to the author, they are taking the hand-holding to the point of being patronizing to authors who are well aware how to conduct themselves in a public venue. Apparently when an author clicks on a negative review, instead of a comment box – this message appears:

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I’m sure the majority authors are more than capable of conducting themselves like reasonable professional adults and this really should not be necessary. The fact that Goodreads feels that something like this is required says everything about the type of people they are catering to with these new policies.

When deciding to write this post, I actually questioned maybe 10 of my Facebook friends who are readers but who are not an active part of the online book community such as Goodreads and have no idea about the current conflict, whether they thought author behavior was relevant and would it affect their decision to purchase the book & support that author. The answers were about 50/50 with half saying that they do not think an author’s behavior has anything to do with the book and it would not be a factor in their decision to buy. The other half said that it would certainly be a factor. Here are some of their responses.

“Not at all. A good books a good book. Whether or not the author's a good person.” – BreeAnna Ford

“It most def would. If an author acts a fool just cuz someone doesn't like their book means that if they cant accept constructive criticism then i don't wanna buy their book. If an author is that shallow that they cant understand people have different opinions then i probably wouldn't give it time of day.” – Paula Rossotto

“No if its good writing I'm gonna read it anyhow. I wouldn't have half the friends I do if I didn't support asshats lol” – Tawnya Bowman Miller

“Yes it would effect my decision to buy. Anyone who is educated enough to be an author should be able to accept criticism and realize not all people are going to enjoy their work. Criminal history: no, everyone makes mistakes, is entitled to voice. But I think inevitably a consumer is not going to buy from an author who has political, or religious views they don't agree with. Nor would I bother buying a book from someone with a questionable public image.” – Carla Davidson

“I would say no. Actions don't affect writing ability.” – Lindsay Miller

“I would probably still read it at a latter date and time...like from the library..but yeah no I wouldn't buy it. People are idiots they don't realize without their fans they wouldn't make the money they make.” – Rebecca Ford

“No to all. Just like with Mel Gibson, Martha Stuart or Miley, these peoples lives have nothing to do with their work and personally I could care less “  - Biliegh Berrie

“Hmmm very good question and unfortunately I don't have a clear answer. It would all depend. And maybe just by saying that the answer is yes. But it would be pending in the case. Ie: I love Stephen King. If he were a little crappy to a fan on occasion I would expect it. I wouldn't stop reading. However if he got in his car and ran a fan down? I would stop reading. I am pretty forgiving to someone proven. For someone I had not read that I knew was a cult leader or murderer no remorse, cut throat and writing to make a buck. No way. Would but the book. Does that help? Guess I sum it up to I would not support a criminal trying to make a buck. But would back someone up for a mistake.” – Sherry Gerych Marion

Ultimately, I DO believe that an author’s behavior matters. I will not support an author who attacks reviewers because of their opinions and/or ratings or has a childish tantrum on a social media site if they feel like their book has not been treated fairly. I maintain that reviews are for readers and are under no obligation to give an author constructive criticism or offer ideas on how to improve. That is the job of their beta readers or someone else they hire specifically for that reason. Reader reviews don’t have to be logical, rational, or worded in a certain way. Reader reviews are a reaction, opinion, and/or interpretation of what they have read and therefore cannot be right or wrong.  While I completely understand an author being passionate about their book, it is NOT their baby any more than a song is a singer’s baby or a movie role is an actor’s baby. It is put out there for public consumption and the public can and will react to it in a variety of ways, just like a song or a movie. An author needs to be prepared for that and be able to handle it professionally and with an eye to their public image and brand. When they lash out publicly, it will affect my opinion of them and I will choose not to support their work and I think that readers should be able to inform other readers about the type of author they would be supporting. As with anything in life, there are consequences for your actions and an author should be held just as accountable as any other celebrity when they have a public meltdown over a negative review or rating. This is another reason why I think that it is wrong for Goodreads to censor reviews in they way they have chosen to.

What do you think? Do these changes affect how you feel about Goodreads? Do you think that these changes are a step in the right direction in resolving the author/reviewer conflict? Does an author’s behavior affect your decision to purchase their book? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this even if they do not agree with my own opinions.

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i do feel my trust in goodreads is at least breached i mean i don't feel at ease anymore at all. i don,'t approve insulting or bullying anyone but i think they went to far and i hate ( ye shate) the fact they didn't make those change more visible so a lot of users don't know about it and could just see they work disappear because let's be honest i've read some review that are now deleted and they were offensive at all , some deleted shelves are really neutral name ( i mean due to author isn't offensive it could be book you want to order in proority even without reading teh blurb or it could be book you know you won't love)

edit;: and i forgot but yes author behaviour could make teh diffirence between buying his book or another ( that goes in both way a gerenous and kind author i will probably buy her book more quickly too but if we can speak about the good then we can also about teh bad)

i was a little afaraid after amazon purchased goodreads but i told myself it was just to have the author part ( on amazon) and the readers part but i feel i was mistaken and it could only get worse
1 reply · active 605 weeks ago
I feel the same Miki. I think that the word bullying is tossed around much too freely so that it renders it meaningless. According to most that I've seen, if more than one person disagrees with them in a thread, someone immediately shouts "Bully" Not one of them ever considered that the fallout from their own actions is not bullying but logical consequences.
I'm going to have to go read the new policy!! This was such a great post, girl!! Not "rambly" at all! You make very great points and I agree with everything you say!!

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1 reply · active 605 weeks ago
Thanks! I'd love to hear what you think once you read the policy.
I would never read a book by pedophiles, or plagiarized work and so forth.
Authors that attack readers on GR should be taken care of, too. But, and this is a big but, authors pay advertisements and readers don't. It all comes down to money. I don't think that GR is altruistic letting us use the platform! :-)
So, if GR dont want us reviewing authors, we can either comply or leave.
Somehow, is very important for some readers to discuss negatively discuss the author too. Thank god I have my blog for that, so GR policy has never affected me.

Okay, I have to check out your links from my computer and comeback to comment.

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1 reply · active 605 weeks ago
I agree, I would never want to read a book by a pedophile, but with GR new policies, we will not have the opportunity to be informed of this even though that information COULD be made available to us. I do agree with you that the only option is to comply or leave but I don't have to like it :P Thanks for stopping by Lectus!
I have to admit, author behaviour (good or bad) rarely makes me more or less likely to pick up a book. Once I decide that it sounds interesting enough, or once I decide that it doesn't sound like anything I'd ever want to read at all, there's not much that can get me to change my mind beyond reviews of the BOOK. (For example, I don't at all like what I've been hearing about Orson Scott Card lately, but I do still really want to read Ender's Game.) I like to keep my opinions regarding books and authors separate, but, of course, there are rare occurrences when I'd feel completely uncomfortable knowing that I'm indirectly supporting someone who is downright awful. In situations like that, it can affect my decision.

I can appreciate that Goodreads is obviously trying to make an effort (like you said, there are people at fault on both sides of the equation), but I agree that this latest policy change isn't the smartest move. It's one thing to remove author-focused reviews from the book page, but another to delete them entirely. I completely think a Goodreads account is someone's personal space and, unless their comments are threatening in some way, they should be allowed to keep it how they want.
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1 reply · active 605 weeks ago
A lot of people feel the same as you Sam, an author's behavior doesn't matter to them. I can understand where you are coming from even though I don't feel the same about it. I completely agree with you though that the Goodreads account was once someone's personal space to catalog, rate, review, and shelve in any way they wished and I personally liked it that way. Thanks so much for stopping by and sharing your thoughts about it!
Saw this on twitter.

And yes it matters. First if the author is known to attack reviewers then of course I do not want to read the book then and get attacked if I do not like it. Also attacking your readers is just shitty work and does not make me wanna read a book by such an author.

Certain views an author has does not really make me want to buy their books and support them. Orson Scott Card for example.

And goodreads really should not delete any shelves and the work people have put down. They are not for readers anymore if they let authors run around willy nilly attacking too.
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1 reply · active 605 weeks ago
I agree with all that you've said. I don't want to support these types of authors either and there are plenty of authors, the majority, who are able to behave like adults. Unfortunately it is the minority that cry, stomp, and tantrum the loudest and so become the most visible.
It definitely matters to me. I don't want to spend my money on a book by somebody only to find out later that the person is the biggest asshat around and I have inadvertently provided them with income.

That being said the thing that really bothers me about the policy is how they handled the situation. No warning before deleting shelves and reviews, posting it on a Friday afternoon so they wouldn't have to deal with the fall out, coddling authors as if they are five-year-olds and treating reviews like crap. These are all things that just don't sit well with me.

Lets face it the reviews are the reason people keep coming back to GR, we provide them with reviews free of charge (not to mention the GR Librarians that work constantly at keeping the site up-to-date for free) and they provide the site. It should be a symbiotic relationship, but now they seem to want to turn it into some great big love-fest where authors won't get their feelings hurt in order to up their revenue and I just can't seem to make that okay in my mind.

I've already deleted most of my shelves and once I'm finished importing my info to another site, I will probably take down my reviews as well and just use GR for the groups (until they start censoring those) and cataloging purposes.
1 reply · active 605 weeks ago
You make a really good point that I wish I would have thought to bring up in my post. The reviews are the important part of GR and is what brings people there along with the capability to catalog books any way that works for them. But this is now being altered to accommodate the worst sort of authors and to essentially turn GR into an author Promo site, an extension of Amazon. I think I'm more interested in switching to Library Thing or Shelfari at the moment instead of Booklikes although I like the Tumbler-like quality of Booklikes, but I am also considering moving to another site. And I hate it because I loved Goodreads.
Well, tomorrow's when GR staff comes back from the weekend. It should be fun to see what transpires.
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The funny this is I never look at the way books are shelved. I do think Goodreads has the right to institute whatever policy they want - that's what happens when we use a third party site. But we also have the right to choose to continue to use the site or not because of it.
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Rachel Slater · 604 weeks ago

Like you, I have mixed feelings on the issues being discussed. Let me start by saying that not only am I a long time reader and reviewer, but for the past decade I've also been an amateur writer who has posted two complete novels, a novelette, and dozens of short stories online, mostly at AFF.net. So I have some experience with both giving and receiving reviews. And, since I write mostly gay erotica, I have often had to deal with unfair reviews that were personally abusive and had far more to do with the reviewers opinions on social/religious/moral issues than it did with what I had written. That being said, this issue can be tricky. I suspect GR is trying to protect themselves somehow, should the author feel they're being attacked and choose to take legal action (we do live in a sue happy society) against both GR and the reviewer. I can't fault them for that. But, on the other hand, I abhor censorship of any kind. And this is very clearly a sort of censorship. Authors a big boys and girls, we should be able to take a little criticism. When submitting something for publication and review you have to expect that some people aren't going to like it. It comes with the territory! And, unfortunately, some immature idiots are going to attack the author instead of reviewing the book on its own merits alone. That being said, in some cases, who the author is and what they've done would affect rather oe not I'd buy their book. Only in rare instances, such as the pedophile who writes childrens books that you mentioned in your article, but I have the right to make that decision on my own. But GR is making the choice for me, or taking away the right to decide for myself, and I'm not too comfortable with that decision by GR. Ultimately, I've used GR for a while now, this won't change that, but I'm uncomfortable with the possible implications for GR down the line. I'll be keeping a closer eye on GR, and any future policy changes, than I previously would have. Censorship of any kind can be a slippery slope indeed. Beware, GoodReads. Beware. Who knows where this may ultimately lead.
Author behavior does have some influence on what I buy, but I do believe that there were quite a few people that were way out of line in their author bashing on Goodreads.

I hope that GR doesn't go overboard and delete every single review that mentions the author. I hope instead that they only delete the ones that have absolutely nothing to say about the book.

I actually like it when someone who HAS read the book ALSO includes bad/good behavior from the book. It really bothers me when the review says "the author was mean to my friend, so she can go drown in a pail of water".

So, overall, I think the policy change is an improvement, but I'm still hoping for some further reviewer protections from authors that do get out of line.
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It's very annoying that the only side of the 'bullying' that really gets any attention is the reviewer to the author, and not the other way around. There a re a few issues with this whole Goodreads things but it is interesting.
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